God Lives Underwater Forum

hey thatnks to that guy with the ftp site. that is awesome.

medicatedtotheoneilove wrote:About double damaging, I think you're wrong. I've down coded many mp3s, for example 256 to 192, it just brings the quality down to 192, it's not like it's hacking the quality in half every time you encode it. I don't know, you could be right but I've down coded a lot of stuff and haven't realized what you're saying...

Well on computer speakers you don't notice it, and it's not literally double damaging but here's a sloppy example of what happens when you re-encode an encoded song.

Let's say these numbers represent quality (1 thru 9) where 9 is highest and 1 is lowest. For this case I'm going to talk in term of VBR encoding (which most people don't use) but it will be 10x easier to explain the concept this way.

Obviously your CD songs are all 9s, but your 256kbit MP3 has removed audio data that isn't too noticeable so now your audio stream looks like

888899996666888855558888

Base compresses VERY well, but treble doesn't, in fact you played just a simple hi-hat sound, it will sound horrible at 192kbit, but of course when you mix all the sounds together (drum track, singing, chords, piano, guitar) you can't focus or notice 1 single instrument's quality.

So now you want to take that 256kbit track and convert it to 192kbit, well if you had simply ripped the CD to 192kbit it will look like

777788885555666655557777

But since you are re-encoding an MP3, it un-compresses the song to a raw format (ex: WAV) and then compresses it, essentially compressing the compression, so it can look something more like

667777665555554444555577

You'll notice 2 problems here, #1 is that the CD -> 192kbit song is higher quality than the 256kbit -> 192kbit song, and that the compression seems all out of whack.

Also I'd like to point out that 256kbit isn't too large, so why are you wasting time to re-encode them only down a notch to 192kbit? If you were making a larger jump (ex: 256 to 128, or 320 to 192) I could understand, even if I think it's a horrible idea. IMHO the minor damage isn't worth the time it takes. While there's no perfect way to measure it, but your 256 to 192 songs would fare somewhere at 160-176kbit and not at true 192kbit quality.

Plus double encoding can exaggerate compression artifacts, so you increase any echoing effects and muddiness.

Just say no to re-encoding!

NO TO RE-ENCODING!!!!!!!

Is that better?!?!?!?

hey i have the WBCN interviews and acoustic songs.
are those in the ftp site already?

nope they're not, stripped maybe but not the interview and other tracks...

oh schnap! i gatta upload those!

u can do it!

alright this is what they are - im not gonna put 'set' track numbers in the ID3 tags b/c you guys probably 'll burn em in whatever order, but this is the way they go:

1 WBCN interview part 1
2 Stripped live
3 wbcn interview part 2
4 weight live
5 wbcn intro part 3
6 lonely again live
7 wbcn inteview part 4

okay and i got other track that i've been sitting on for approximately a year because i thought everybody had them -- come to find out they dont. i got them from brian (jawa242) last year, he got em from dave...thats where i got this disc from.. the songs i will upload will be:

Hush That Noise (its RTA-esque, but on the vinyl of the from your mouth ep, i think its from the master, because there are no clicks and pops like a vinyl)
Rearrange (example 1) - my most fav version of this song ever
Rearrange (example 2)
From Your mouth (Mass Hystereo Remix)
From Your Mouth (Chris Vrenna Remix)

i saw that weight and fly on the windscreen are already up there.

this week im going on a hunt for eith converters or a record player with an output so that i can record the instrumental version of weaken off of my LP for you guys, b/c no one else seems to have the EITHER, so err uhh either go out and get it or you'lll just have ta wait

ok. byez ~hilary

whoa, thats quite a chunk u got there silver... mucho gracias...

youre welcome.

i succeeded in getting the induvidual interview mp3 tracks posted up--

the only problem is that the songs are "too big" and so i dont know know to upload them other than using a webpage interface. damn. you guys gotta listen to this stuff!!! im determined to get it into the hands of all of you.

That would totally rock. Thanks for the bevy of media!

Yes thanks Silver....

silvercrank wrote:youre welcome.

i succeeded in getting the induvidual interview mp3 tracks posted up--

the only problem is that the songs are "too big" and so i dont know know to upload them other than using a webpage interface. damn. you guys gotta listen to this stuff!!! im determined to get it into the hands of all of you.

They won't upload using an ftp program? I have uploaded some huge #### to that space before with no problems. Odd.

NO!!

they wont load using the WEBPAGE UPLOADE THAT NET2FTP HAS.

i NEED to use a program. in fact ill try it rite now.

Yeah sorry for posting NET2FTP, I didn't realize until a little bit ago that it has a really small file size limit, I wouldn't even bother trying to use it.